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I know Allin  :)  has already wrote a very interesting article about the year 2012. I would like to know what y'all think will happen???  :smilewink:

Sometime last year, I had a premonition that some abandoned churches will become pagan temples. I then had a vision of 20??, maybe it'll happen in 2013. So, I don't believe that it's the end. But, the end of man abusing Gaia. And many, many people returning to the Goddess. ;D

  I doubt it will be the end of the world, or the human race. Not to say such a thing isn't possible especially while considering what a mess the world has been since America decided to invade Iraq, and then the worry about Korea and their nukes, and so on and so forth.

 It could be that this recent American war is bringing the end of the materialistic world by causing the economy to crash in it's own country and having a dramatic effect on the world (both the Canadian and Euro currency shot up in value within the last year), and since there is such a struggle for oil to power petroleum vehicles and machinery it's forcing the US and the world to consider renewable and cleaner fuel sources. Japan is profiting off of this by both Toyota and Honda coming out with more and more hybrid vehicles, in turn there are a few US auto manufactures that are doing the very same to not only keep up with the growing market but because it's just a more effective financial move in a multitude of ways.

 With that being said, maybe we'll revert back a more simple day or rather our focus will shift and we'll use technology to be less hazardous to ourselves and the environment. Will we become more spiritual though? I've no idea since I don't keep up with the world very well as it is, what's going on religiously or spiritually worldwide is one of the lesser aspects I focus on.

I'm not sure how scientifically factual it is, but I've read that the earth's frequency is rising. That, in turn, serves to make us feel everything's going faster, those who are negative in daily life, will become more negative and those who are positive will supposedly become more positive. The theory is that all of this will intensify the closer we get to 2012. Those remaining negative, shutting out their spirit will become either physically ill more often, mentally ill, there will be more acts of violence, more depression, etc. And the positive and spiritual will become more spiritual and enlightened.

This is all theory of course, but I tend to believe it's close to accurate just from seeing the daily news. So I'm trying to be more positive and let go of the things that hold me back spiritually...so 2012 can hopefully be something to look forward to. I don't believe 2012 is the end of humanity though. Just a sort of new spiritual age.

 :)

Interesting subject. I actually hope 2012 will be the end of certain parts of our world. (WHAT?!) Let me explain that, before I am stoned to death. I truly believe that we are our greatest and most powerful force of destruction. I don't believe any being is going to come out of the darkness and just blast us all away, keeping only a small few, I feel if we are going to be destroyed, it will be our faults entirely.

So truly, I hope this aspect dies, in all meaning of the word. I hope a drastic change happens in the balance of the world, and people finally realize that we cannot continue to destroy one another. I hope people finally see that eventually WE as a whole group will wipe ourselves off the face of the earth, even if that takes some awful catastrophe. And then, when they finally realize that this cannot continue, they'll stop.  We will stop invadiing each other, stop threatening to nuke each other to death, and possibly, JUST possibly, learn to get along and coorperate as a group of HUMANS, instead of a group of Americans, or Brits, or whatever.

I've never seen the point of world seperation, segregation and differences don't exist to me, people are unique yes, but they are still people. A fellow man is a fellow man regardless of where he comes from, and I think it's about time people started to realize that. A man more talented than another doesn't make him any more of a man, skills are learned and practiced, personalities are shaped over time for different reasons, none of that makes anyone more of a person than anyone else. So maybe something like that will happen in 2012. Will there be some amazing event that occurs to create this acknowledgement? Who knows, but whatever happens, at this rate, I don't imagine it being pretty.

-DW

Well, there was talk of the Mayan Calendar on the last boards (yes, I know, we've been on the new servers for like a year. Shh. May still reference the old ones. lol.). I know that it ends in December of 2012 (Day 20-something, right?) and that it has been predicted that the world will end when the calendar ends.

However, I am not honestly sure if I believe that in any regard. Change happens all the time, and maybe the change we've all been feeling will come to fruition that year, maybe not. And, for the sake of argument, could it not be the 'world' they meant was the world they understood to be theirs?

Also, a point that comes up often in discussions with my mother seem valid here: There have been several incarnations of Hominids, who are we to say we are the last, greatest, and forever-surviving? Who are we to say that there will be no more incarnations of hominids beyond Homo Sapien? That Homo Sapien even has the ability to survive much longer than it has?

Not to say that's connected to and may be what will happen in 4 years, just to say that I don't honestly believe that we as Homo Sapiens are the last evolutions of our species.

And on a side note Erych, Europe is currently suffering in other ways because of the so called war. Large parts of it are struggling greatly, and while the Euro is more than the American dollar, I have a feeling that isn't going to last much longer.

Second side note: strongest currency in the world is the Pound, it's currently almost twice the American dollar (to compare) whereas the Euro is only worth 50 cents more approximately.

If I might add my two farthings to this, for just a moment.
This caught my eye...

"I've never seen the point of world separation, segregation and differences don't exist to me, people are unique yes, but they are still people. A fellow man is a fellow man regardless of where he comes from, and I think it's about time people started to realize that. A man more talented than another doesn't make him any more of a man, skills are learned and practiced, personalities are shaped over time for different reasons, none of that makes anyone more of a person than anyone else."

If there were more young folk like this around, the world would likely be in a much better situation.

The truth is, this sort of thinking and awareness is starting to grow and spread, thanks to the interweb, sites like this, and just a general awareness and growth on the part of the human race. I've been paying a lot of attention over the last years and like anyone who does so, I can't help but notice the leaps and bounds in esoteric knowledge that is taking place. Lots of reasons for it, the wide availability of the information being the first. But I digress. What I was getting at is that each generation is opening up to things that their predecessors would either shy away from or completely ignore (often because they were told to). The fact that we are willing to walk paths that are "new" to us shows that we are willing to grow, learn and hopefully accept new ideas and theories. Not that people haven't in the past, just not so many all at once.

It would seem that some of the older "faiths" and belief systems are being questioned and shaken up a little more all the time, and while I don't think that anyone should have their personal belief system questioned, I do think they should question their belief system. This would lead to the branching off into other philosophies that has happened in so many places, and an opening of the mind of the wanderer.

Our awareness of what we as a people are doing to the planet is greater now than it has ever been, whether that's because of Al Gore and his video reaching the masses, or whether it's because the generations that are coming up now are more sensitive to the vibrations and feelings of the planet, it doesn't matter which.
What matters is that we ARE paying attention, and that we DO care about our mother/home. No one is going to take care of this except us. There's no one to pick up after us after this is all shot to hell. And we are starting to realize this.

So, 2012.
I'm told about a gradual axis shift of the earth and the resulting vibrational shift.
That would make sense. For what it's worth, I can remember when the seasons were in a slightly different position, by that I mean winters' worst weather was distinctly between say, November and March, where as now the worst of it hits between late December and the middle of May.  The world's still turning at the same speed (I think...) so why the change in the "schedule"?
The shift of the tilt makes sense from that angle, so, there lies that explanation.
And that would throw the vibration either out of whack, or perhaps back to where it's actually supposed to be.

This could go on to levels that have previously been covered elsewhere on this site, so I won't bother to. Besides, there are more than a few who have studied this more deeply than I have, so I would encourage you to look for those postings.

The "end of the world" in 2012?
I don't think the planet's going to implode or anything, but many do see an end.
Hopefully an end to blinkered awareness, an end to suffering, an end to grief.

The end of an age, therefore the beginning of a new one.
Hopefully a brighter, more aware one.

We've got 3 and some years folks... get meditating, raise that vibration!!!

be well, brightest of blessings

heyoka

No I do not believe it is the end...unless the earth itself explodes into billions of tiny pieces.  Which is possible, but I doubt will happen.

It may be the end of civilization as we know it, but that is perfectly fine.  I am not sure if I believe anything actually is going to happen, but I have an open mind about it.

Either way, it will not be the 'end'.

T

More likely, the "beginning".

blessings

heyoka

I have thought about this string for a bit and had to take measure of what I thought before committing to the board.  After a bit I came to the conclusion that I don't truly believe in an end.  I truly believe that the only constant there is in the universe is change and therefore we are truly never at the beginning or end of anything but in a state of perpetual ongoing or becoming.  Where did we come from? Where are we going? What will we become?  Not truly important in my opinon. What are we doing now at this moment...ahh now there lies the rub of it.

be good to one another
Is

I don't think it's the end, but I do have a feeling that something BIG is going to happen that year.

I believe that we are here on this earth plane to learn about things that we cannot feel in our true home (the other side or heaven). So, we come here to experience everything we possibly can and when we die here we go home. We have a choice to come back and perfect our soul by traveling to different worlds or back to earth(which is the hardest one to overcome). That is if our souls were "good" here. If not, then those souls are trapped in a circle of being reborn over and over again until they can accept the love of our creator.

I do believe that there will never be a end to life... I always feel the need to go home... like I really don't belong here. My true home is the other side, but I want to experience as much as possible here. There is much more I would love to write about on the subject of why we are here and what happens after death. Maybe I will write an article about it! LOL!  ;D

 

Personally I think something big will happen in 2010-2012. I think whatever happens will have a very drastic outcome on the world. Whether it's war, advancement in technology whatever. I truly think the world will continue on even though religious people think the world's ending. It's interesting how Apocalypse really means "the End of an Era" instead of "The End of the World" lol. I can't wait to see what happens starting 2010-2012.

This thread also makes me think about creating reality.  Since the 2012 is starting to turn into a worldwide phenomena in that more and more people are hearing about it.  I wonder if all this energy that is going into the thoughts 'something big will happen' is going to cause something to happen.

Do we create our own reality? 

"Do we create our own reality? "

Now, that for sure, is the rub...

And, for what it's worth, to some extent we do. There are always outside circumstances at play, but to a great degree, we create our own reality through the choices we make on a moment by moment basis.

See, there goes a moment now, and another one, and another.

And you chose to continue reading, shaping the reality of the space you are in at this, or any given moment. You're where you choose to be (to some extent) and you are creating the space/atmosphere/vibe around you.

Be nice to those around you, be nice to yourself, and take care of each other.
Sounds simplistic I know, but the thing is... it works.

heyoka

Exactly.  You get a gold star on your karma chart Heyoka!  If everyone just could live with such a philosophy...well, would it really matter what 2012 would bring?  We would know that we would all be in it together and together there is nothing we could not weather.  I am sentimental, I truly believe that love does conquer all.

hugs all around
Is

Golly... thanks Is...

You know, as much as there is a perceived concern about "what's going to happen", I have to think that the more that people "worry" about the possibilities, the more they're going to make those possibilities reality.
I think you all know where I'm going here.

So, on that note, as opposed to being preoccupied with what "might" happen, think about this simple, three word phrase.

BE HERE NOW

Don't worry about what's been, don't stress about what might happen,
live in the moment you are in. You can only do so much about what is to come, so give yourself a break, sit back, take five nice, deep breaths and just relax.


And while you're out and about, smile at someone you don't know, get them to smile back at you.
It can't hurt either one of you, and besides, what have you got to lose?

blessings

heyoka

You keep hearing a lot about 2012, and 12-12-2012. I really hope nothing dramatic happens on that day or year. My birthday is 12-12, and I was born 12 years before the tun of the decade leading to the millenium. So yeah, I'm not really liking the number 12 anymore.

The number, like any symbol, only has as much strength as you perceive it to have.

The strength and energy that everyone is "focussing" on the whole 2012 issue is almost enough to manifest something.

So, I guess that means if something doesn't happen, well, we'll all assume that all is okay. And if something (gods only know what...) does indeed happen, we'll all assume that it's either the "aliens", the gods or it was us making it happen.

Either way, if we all hope for the best and have a positive vibe about the whole thing, we'll likely be alright.

Don't forget to tell someone close to you that you love them, and better yet, smile at someone you don't know.
Share a good vibe sometime today with a stranger.

(I see my lovely sister Nyboria lurking in the background... hi sis

be well, brightest of blessings

heyoka

Well, now that I'm back, I gotta put my 2 cents in, or, maybe more like 10 dollars. Anyways... from the latest I've heard, it's supposed to be 12-21-2012.. Or, more commonly looked at as: 122112. I don't know how many people will agree with me, but, something that I've thought of, is that in many branchs of Wicca, everything is in 3's. I myself have had some very odd things happening lately, and, they've all showed up in 3's. That's a different thread, and I need help on it, but, look at the numbers: 122112. There's 3 of each, and, they're intertwined. So, to me, that means that something is going to happen, and, it's going to be life-altering, but, because it's all intertwined, to me, that means there's going to be something that makes everyone come closer together.

Bright Blessings,
 Angelis

Yes indeed, the date is 21 December 2012, not the 12th. That is when the Mayan calendar ends.

...and the date of Yule or the Winter Solstice too!!!

The night when Gwynn ap Nudd (aka St. Michael, aka Orion) rides across the night skies... oh, sorry, yet another avenue to wander down, and there's more than enough going on here right now.

heyoka

Ahh Orion...brings nostalgia and a pang to the heart. 

Personally, I just think it will be another day.

As for me I thinks it will be a very special day :

"with lot of deception because nothing really happened!"

Joke apart, I  have  no idea if anything gonna happen, but I watch a TV show somewhere, about  a astronomical alignment of some sort. galactic in proportion. Something related to be in perfect line with the center of the galaxies, and theoretically plausible stuff of unknowing major gravitational force...  like the rise of the sea at full moon but in another order of magnitude...

Do not scream if you didn't understand what I wrote I didn't either!!! I had not follow the TV show closely enough!

As for the end of the world, if it's not in 2012 it will be shortly after, if you study carefully history; every civilization that crashed exhibited strong decadent sign, as for ours, it exhibit the same strong indication of rapid decay. and because we are more advanced more numerous and more more more whatever; it will crash faster. (I will not give you any example cause this will create flame and discord) but I will give you some sort of clue :

(Look at the first idea that come to your mind when you think about the  decadence and fall of the Greek, the Roman empire, the Egyptian...)

But the strongest point for me is :

The disparity between the poor and the very rich.

Globally on earth! it's is so major, so insane, so not  "OK".

So utterly indecent. that soon rather than later it's gonna crash in flame. you can push so fare people before they explode.

I'm French and I have the French revolution in mind as a shorter example of this. But what was true in those days "the difference between rich and poor" now it's so not the same order of magnitude.

I think that if the civilization crash it will be because of this...

And the Chinese, as they put 40 percent of the country income to the army!  and no country put that much money without preparing to go to war!

as for the GOD or Alien plot on 2012 well ?

Aliens are amongst us already ! since dawn of time why would they chose to change there habit? (if you do not agree on this I would strongly advise you to travel, and maybe go to Mexican and Mayan ruin and look for yourself at those picture on the wall of there temple! same for Egypt, and so many different old culture that is so embarrassing to think otherwise.... in other world think for yourself.

God doesn't give a damned about the humans. (he care about spirit, soul and stuff) I mean there is still war, famine, decadence, murder, theft and what not immoral action being done on this globe. I do believe in a higher being, consciousness. but it is rather plain that this being, this god, this force, this consciousness doesn't give a damn about human being and there petty affair. (like having a car, making money invading you country for oil, and that sort of stuff)... it's so pathetic and rather presumptions to say god want, god said, god think ... I think that this thing that most of us call God; is so remotely alien, to our understanding that we cannot gasp let's understand it's motives.  yet based on observation we can still at our level make some sort of distinction. that we clearly do not give a damn about human affair!


And  for the possible enlightenment of some sort that will unify the human race?

I seriously doubt it, in this short time, but with the advance of quantum physics, I let my option open on this one. who know maybe we can discover the genie in the quantum lamp! or the GOD particle! or we can find access to multi-universes and stuff, or we can create a black hole that will destroy the universe....

Quantum physics is clearly the sciences of limitless possibility and if I did understand it correctly all of the at one ... to the moment when you observe one...
 
Which led me to the final one
(as the observer and creator of my own reality...)

I would love that in 2012 the Shadows-Run plot would happen ....  (some sort of awakening of magical force.. and dragons, elf, gnome, dwarfs and stuff appearing as modification of human DNA....) that is how I would love the 21 December 2012, the winter solstice, to be. 

Just a the sun awake, and the planet aligned to the center of the galaxies, a shining wave of mystical energy spreading out on the surface of the earth modifying the DNA awaking the earth, transforming ....

But I don't want to be a gnome or a small green stone eater! I want to be either a vampire or a dragon...

(last notice, there is a awful lot of believes and prophecy around 2012, form very strong and different sources. fare more that any previous date) 

And I think what really would happen is exactly like my introduction , most human on earth will be majority pissed off, because they will be so disappointed because nothing really happen....

"...they will be so disappointed because nothing really happen..."

Well, nothing they'll notice.

Things will happen on deeper levels, that the vast majority won't understand or possibly even perceive, but those who are sensitive to the changes will obviously see/feel what's gone on.

If in fact, anything.

It's all in one's perception, all in one's ability to feel that almost undistinguishable shift in their reality.

And considering that so many people hereabouts seem to be able to "feel" these shifts, I find it interesting how many "sensitive" people are also running around going "Nothing's going to happen, nothing's going to happen..."

If we all continue to be conscious of something happening, it's going to happen.
If we all run around saying that it won't, it won't.

ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT DON'T BELIEVE.

Simple as that. You create your own reality. If you don't choose to accept the concept of the (possibly approaching) changes, they won't happen for you.
As the silly man on Mythbusters says, "I deny your reality and substitute my own"

We all make our own choices as to how to believe/perceive.

And so it should be.

be well, brightest of blessings

heyoka

If I would ask a dollar for every prediction about when the earth will cease to exist I would be a millionaire in one year.
Why do people focus so much on negativity and not on something simpler like, oh I say, trying to be polite to another person? Why not change yourself instead of waiting for the world to change?

One thing that keeps popping in my head was a prediction I read as a child in a book that around this time a new world-religion would arise and bring peace. I can't remember who wrote the book or even the title but that passage, including the lay-out, typography etc.) I clearly recall; funny how the mind works.

What 2012 is thought by many of us to represent isn't about the world ending or necessarily negativity. And it is about changing now. If you look at some of the posts here, it is important to change now because 2012 is about a spiritual change or ascension, 'not' about a physical ending of the world. Ones who choose to stay in a life of negativity right now are the only ones who might have a more true and literal ending of their personal world. So it's important to let go of what doesn't serve your spirit the best. But no, it's not that the physical world ends on that day. I don't think many really believe that.

Like you said most posts here are about change (slowly reading back the whole topic should be something I need to do more often, my apologies). The reason why I reacted as such is that I've discussed this topic with many others who actually believe it will be "the end of all things".
I still stick by the fact that people should have a desire to change in a positive sense anyway, not to wait for significant dates, astrological happenings or otherwise. It seems like some people just need an extra hand in that regard.
I can only hope that something major and positive will actually happen although I'm not certain. I just have this 'feeling' that will not go away.

I see your point, Fulgrim. People should really want to change and be kind to others because it's the right thing to do and not just because it's leading up to a particular event. Good point you made that I totally missed! :)

As one has either honed their perceptions to be the finest compliment to the highest ideal of who they truly are, or are in the process of the re-awakening of these elements of ones inner perceptions that have been there all along, but just filed away like some old School-Day book report that in its time was considered a brilliant addition to ones life, but now just forgotten. Its all just a file cabinet in the spirit away from being real again.

Very well put Heyoka! The best description of all of the soulful side of this subject that I think I've come across in quite some time!  8)

Peace>

Allin>

Haha, you know? Funny thing. My dad has recently started forcing the family to go to church every single Sunday (and sometimes more) and do "religious chores" that I've never even heard of, simply because he believes that the world will end in 2012 and he's afraid of going to Hell. -_-

I stick right next to you, Sybilla. But honestly, (and my apologies for echoing others) I also think that the only reason we are going to see change on that specific date is because so many people are investing energy into it, that something will just happen. I mean, sure the New Agey stuff and sudden interest in Buddhist/Hindu ideals are on the rise, but personally a lot of it has struck me as fake or flawed in some way, yet another deviation from the Truth.  Thus the reason I'm also very skeptical of the theorists who say (and no disrespect to any of you) that people will leave orthodox paths such as the Church to follow a more earth-based religion. I think that's just a religious day-dream, something all of the world religions have. My dad up there is a good example of why I think that theory is inaccurate.

Besides, my intuition has been telling me otherwise from what all the theorists are saying about that date, about impending doom or spiritual ascension of humanity. It's saying that it's not at all the beginning or end of epoch; it's simply the pivot point in an era brought on by the steady realisation that there are errors in this world that must be corrected.

That being said, I do believe that there is only a small group of people who really may become "spiritually ascended" or benefit from anything that may materialise upon that date. Though, maybe not. We are creating our own future, aren't we? Whatever change there will be, it will arise from our own speculation.

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Who really cares when the world will end? Just enjoy life as much as possible and forget about it. It doesn't matter. We'll all die when it happens.  ;D

"Just enjoy life as much as possible and forget about it. It doesn't matter. We'll all die when it happens."

It couldn't be any simpler than that.

Actually it does matter a bit. If we're all conscious of the fact that everything's gonna be alright, then, everything's gonna be alright.  If everyone goes around convinced that the sky is going to fall, well, I guess if they want to bring it down on themselves, so be it. It's not coming down on me, and that's my major concern.

Make the world a happier place and it will be.

I've said it before and I'll say it again (I'm sure)

BE HERE NOW

blessings

heyoka

How can I be there now when I don't know where you are?!?!  :lol:
Seriously though...I agree whole heartedly.  Live in the now, it's all we got.  Be good to one another.

love
Is

If our so called civilization is going to end in 2012, what an experience.  Mind you, I will probably miss it by being in the shower or something.

Out of every post on the subject, I absolutely loved the last. If the entire world ceases to exist, how awesome that we get to witness it firsthand and die that noble death. After all, there can be no rebirth without destruction, right?
The notion that humanity will spiritually ascend is equally admirable, however less probable in my opinion. (might be cynicism, might be rationale)
Investing energy in an outcome of that particular day, I agree, might promote - or + impact and everyone should live for the moment, that's all you can honestly be certain of in the illusion of linear time.

That might not even make sense, It's 3AM and I've been awake for two days.
My apologies.
Darkness Embraced has rapidly become my new obsession.
I love you all!  luv

If the world does end in 2012, it will be because boyfriend our own hands. We will think that the world is going to end so will increase in trying to do/get what we want before we die and some of it is consisting of massacres, domination and such. In 2012, people will have fooled themselves that they are going to die and try to fulfill their list of things they want to do before they die. The world would be in complete anarchy because the government wouldn't be able to keep up with all the crime so they would just stop trying and people wouldn't care.

When someone comes up with a theory, it only takes a small group of friends to push it through until massive amounts of people believe in it. So, needless to say, all people are easily influenced, no matter how stubborn they are.

Besides, aren't the planets suppose to align in 2014? If we know it is going to happen, then we should be able to tell that we will be around after 2012. Oh, and I heard from one of my teachers a while ago that Venus will be passing directly between the Earth And the Sun some time in 2012 so that could be the cause of the whole 'End of the world' deal. People get crazy when the heavenly bodies block the Sun for even five minutes.

I Am Done Now. Sorry If This Makes No Sense. The Only Way I Can Purely Get Something Out Is by Rambling Millions Of Ideas.

Hmmm.
"Besides, aren't the planets suppose to align in 2014?"

Uh, that would be 2012....

"Oh, and I heard from one of my teachers a while ago that Venus will be passing directly between the Earth And the Sun some time in 2012..."

And that would be December 21, 2012. The date in question.

"When someone comes up with a theory, it only takes a small group of friends to push it through until massive amounts of people believe in it."

And this would be the way religions, philosophies, conspiracy theories and all general information gets out there. And due to the wonderful machine you're reading this on and the proliferation of information for all, rumours, fears, lies and general bullsh*t are very easy to spread.

So on that note, try this on for size...

believe nothing
no matter where you read it or who has said it
unless it agrees with your own reason
and your own common sense

Only you can decide what to believe out there.

I do remain curious about one thing though...
"If the world does end in 2012, it will be because boyfriend our own hands"
I think I missed something in the typed translation, or maybe this is yet another form of protracted compu-speak, I don't know. Is this sort of like "my bad"?

What ever happened to grammar and actual comprehensible speech patterns....

be well, brightest of blessings

heyoka