About a week ago, I had a very very interesting and animated talk with one of my friend

It all started with French cinema, and why I thought French cinema was kinda dead.
and suddenly we were speaking about JFK murder.

My friend who is passionate about the subject asked me when did I become certain that it was a mater of conspiracy,

I reply to him that when I heard the speech he made on secret society...
Then he did get very agree with me because for him I could not base my certainty upon just a speech, that himself did become certain of this after a long time researching and .... bla bla bla bla bla....

the point was he could not bare the thought that something so thin as this speech was a proof in itself (for me), that I didn't need any other,

The talk also moved into World War II,  and we also had a clash on this, as I exposed my view point that nearly all wars thought human history where created by a very few just to make more money. 

He told me that I was deluded, that history was precise, that the reason World War II started was because of the Versailles thing...  that all historians knew about, that everybody knew ....

then I he asked me where I took my sources, so I told him research on Internet, well known authors,  but he told me how Internet was not a reliable sources of information...

So I told him that the geography and history book he read while in High School wasn't a reliable source either... but he could not have it.

He seriously went berserk... he also told me I was seriously naive, and kinda deluded...

and to me it hit my in the face... (figure of speech) so when I went back home
I read that old High School book "geography and history" and I went pale...

I realized how deep the brain washing had gone, how deep the system was in place.

you have to understand my friend is part of the so called "Intellectual Elite" he is an actor, from an very educated family, quite rich too...

But the frightening thing is... even if he does put the world around him in question, even if he does believe in JFK conspirator theory even if he think that the world around him is not totally what it seem.

he is still sleeping, refusing to see the truth, still being conformist, cause there is no real conviction in him..

His  non-conformism is "conventional" and socially acceptable!

 Now this is a subject that could go on forever about alot of popular social subjects.

 I don't really think there is much mystery behind the reasons of WW2, however the first World War is alot more subjective and the best I've ever figured out is the assassination of a Austrian prince. I use to think that WW2 was for the greater glory of the old Germanic ways, to revive pagan Germany and other Germanic/Scandinavian nations, but I've come to think that perhaps that was just Himmler and an undetermined amount of SS members.

 But Sigiel, from what you've stated I think you're correct and it is indeed your friend who is a bit delusion due to mainstream society. One of my biggest issues is modern/popular science, I don't believe in Creationism nor do I really believe in Darwin's theory - even he had doubts due to some strange natural anomalies ie: certain flowers, and even the platypus. I'm a big fan of the authors responsible for Forbidden Archeology and Forbidden History, the theories or findings in that book seem much more plausible in some odd way.

Oi vey. These are also subjects that Ive been studying for quite awhile now, and it was for the best that I did get into these lines of thinking. Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology is a great book and I respect the amount of research he has done for the last 20+ years into the subject.  A few others I respect highly are William Henry, Terrence McKenna, Jordan Maxwell, William Cooper, Laurie Nadel, Heidi Hollis and Ron Paul. All these people I list are exceptional researchers and convey astounding amounts of great information that is non-conventional to mainstream ideologies on many subjects.
  Non-conformity is very conventional in this day in age from what I witness with my eyes whereas its opposite was true years before. We see it in music, thinking, visuals of all sorts and it is fed on a silver spoon.  Non-conformity is now the new conformity, and I think that is a double-edged blade. Yes, people are more expressive but it still must fall into certain guidelines which is mainly democratic opinion. Non-conformity to me has become a popularity contest which is slightly unsettling to me. What is ironic is many are caught up in it without thinking about it. The non-conformity craze is not limited to just the visual and sound aspects, but also to the lines of thinking. Who's ideas do we like the best that is best defeating the conformity?
  I think that no matter how one can look at it there is always conformity on some level. Without conformity there is not its opposite when in their base aspects they may just be one in the same.
  Non-conformity is not individualism.  Individualism is being who you are no matter any situation. I often think this is a very confusing aspect to many people while to some it is natural. Conformity  and its counterpart are thoughts of an outside collective manifested by extroverted people. Individualism is introverted in its total essence in my mind. I think the true opposite of conformity is not non-conformity, but is in fact individualism. Extroversion versus introversion. In order to be a true non-conformist we must focus on the inside of ourselves instead of how we fit into the outside with conformity to measure up to. I think it should be the conformity measuring up to our individualism.

Thats my spiel on the subject, and thanks for reading.

Verlanis.

Thanks for clearing that up, here's some good karma!  

Ah, so it's finally gotten to the point where being different is being normal.

I think my head is starting to either clear up or spin.

So, if it's normal to be different, what's different?
It would seem that no matter what you do, someone else somewhere has done it so therefore you must be falling into line with someone else so you're a conformist...

but wait, he was doing something different, not conforming, but by following him....

oi, I give up.

I'll just be me.

Or maybe I'll just be.

heyoka

Awesome train of thought folks, this place is getting interesting.
Must be a "new age"... *grin*

I wanted to say it like this. Thanks for this brilliant incite! I'm right with you...

I would even point out that now a days individualism is very badly seen and accepted! So it must be it!
 
As for history and WAR,  it's all about money, all the time. Maybe in romantic vision of Greece some wars happen because of love or jealousy! But in real world,
war is waged by money. It is the second most profitable business behind The pharmaceutical industry and the health business, way before Oil!...

Now that is exactly my point, most of people I know if I asked them do you trust your government they will say no, that politician are almost criminal, that vast economical interest always prim and so one.... they most all agree...

But when you say to them well 9/11 was a conspiracy,  they would say, OH! NO! NO! that is impossible; the government will never do that!

Well they are a bunch of criminal or they are not, Institution are corrupted or they are not! Lobby dictated economics of nation of they do not! most of us do not go all the way when we have conviction, if face of socially stigma and rejection we back off!

Fear to be rejected, to be alone, is the most powerfull weapon.

That is why Shame and Ridicule are the most traumatizing experience. so we conform, and now non-conformism is the "buzz" so we model it.


Exept for the IPhone where it' is simply the best phone ever!!!!!!

oups!  my bad,  sorry!